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Philip Cramer - 09:06 am PST - Oct 31, 2000
"They have not been heard. They will not be heard. And each off those uncounted ballots is a cry of reproach against the act of judicial arrogance that has now forever silenced them." Gary Kamiya

What's going on in your neighborhood, precinct, town, city, state? Any impressions, anecdotes, reports stories etc.

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In my class, the vote for Bush was 9 to 4. I figured it would be about 12 to 1.
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Susan? Nevada?
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Purcell Edgar - 10:05 pm PST - Nov 3, 2000  - #79 of 353
I know what the word "media" means. It's plural for "mediocre." -- Rocky Bridges

Dee -- California goes from 7:00 a to 8:00 p.

Pacific Standard Time, of course.
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I think Nevada is 7 to 7.
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Liam
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Susan, what grades do you teach?
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Does anyone remember the website for Al Gore, the one which connects you with opportunities to volunteer?
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PA polls are open 7AM to 8PM.
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Missouri 6 am to 7 pm. Central Standard Time.
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This chart gives open/close for all 50 states so we don't have to do it piecemeal.
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Jerome Wilkes - 07:11 am PST - Nov 4, 2000  - #87 of 353
A Scholar Gypsy

Yesterday, I found a stack of CHRISTIAN COALITION "Voter's Guides" on the counter of my friendly insurance dealer in an otherwise nice enough Northeast Kansas town. "This junk doesn't belong here," I told the nice receptionist, who smiled and said, "I don't know where those came from. Some man left 'em here this morning, I believe." I smiled and lifted the whole batch and deposited them in my briefcase for burning later. These "guides" denounce all Democrats, who are allegedly and autmatically rapists, murderers, and thieves. (Only in America does "Christian" mean "hater.")
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Also in Kansas, we're now getting lots of breathy telephone calls informing us that our one Democratic Congressman, Dennis Moore (the only brain in the whole Kansas delegation, endorses legislation to legalize about any sin or crime you can think of--and some you probably can't. When you try to remonstrate with the voice, of course you realize it's a recording. The only recourse is to hang up and deplore the average Kansan's mentality. On the other hand, you are moved to pity these fervent Rightwingers all the more when you recall how many years they were spellbound by Bob Dole.
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I think that this poll will actually help us, as it should energize Democrats to get out and vote. There's not a chance we're going to let California go to Bush...
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But this may be a good thing. It scares the crap out of complacent Democrats who might otherwise not bother to vote.
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Claire, I think you're right. A close poll is better for turnout and Dems benefit by turnout. If by some chance Bush wins in CA, I guarantee it will be by some fraudulent means.
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MECowan - 10:18 am PST - Nov 4, 2000  - #92 of 353
Republican's Syndrome: A neurological disorder characterized by spontaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of mind-boggling hypocrisy

Does anyone remember the website for Al Gore, the one which connects you with opportunities to volunteer?

Try <http://www.algore.com> You may have to click a few links once you get there.
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Greetings from Missouri. I worked on GOTV and I am scheduled for election day. Tons of volunteers. I made signs too. I am excited because so many people have signed up to work and the office is just buzzing with activity. The people I called for GOTV were very energized about the election. I don't know what is going to happen here in Missouri but I am doing my part.
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I forgot to mention that we are hearing a lot of Tommy Lee Jones ads on the radio. They are excellent and go head to head with Heston and the NRA.
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Thanks, all. Dee
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TL Jones ad...sure wish they would play it here in Minnesota. I'll listen for it. Thanks.
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I am working Tuesday at the Dem phone banks. I recruited my aunt too. I volunteered for driving or errands or anything they needed me for, but they said phones on Election Day was their primary need. I am excited, I have never actually worked on a campaign before, only sent checks. I am in Florida, and I feel that this state could be the most important in the entire election (not being boastful, just realistic with the EC numbers). I want to make a difference.
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Franny Rose - 05:08 pm PST - Nov 4, 2000  - #98 of 353
Democracy, quite simply, was poisoned to put George W Bush in the White House. -- UK Guardian, 12/14/00

I talked by sister, who is definitely not an activist type, into volunteering to drive voters on Tuesday. That's the closest I can come to physically participating from over here. She lives in Indiana, so it's more about popular vote and local elections there, but every vote counts!
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The important thing is that the Pugs here are so smug and complacent that they should be easy marks in 2002. A Bush administration that is at best undistinguished, and likely catastrophic, and a couple of credible Dem nominees who don't start visibly running until mid-October could catch the Pugs flat-footed.
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I just want to give my perspective on the campaign here in PA (for anyone wondering, I recently moved to West Chester from the Harrisburg area). I have been volunteering in the Philadelphia area for the past month or so. Today they had several hundred volunteers in Philly and were even branching out into the neighboring counties (Deleware, Chester, Montgomery, etc..). The campaign office has also been receiving volunteers from many of the local "safe states". For instance, today I was working with people from Maryland, New Jersey, New York and Virginia. These groups are either formally organized ones (DNC volunteers) or simply people who want to do everything they can to help- one woman I met today drove from northern Virgina just because she wanted to do everything she can to get Gore elected.

The DUI issue was raised here several times. by the volunteers. The big issue among many of us was the concern that the pressure of been a President will cause him to lapse back into drinking. As for the AWOL issue. Some volunteers here know it. ( I'd say roughly half the people I talked with knew of it but didn't know all the facts ) The ones that never heard about it were rather shocked... (Many of them were VERY upset that the media was not saying anything about it.) They seemed very happy when I told them were to find Martin's report on the issue.

Overall, I feel rather confident about PA. I believe Pa will go for Gore, it may be close but I think the Democratic base in Philly is VERY motivated. I hope the people in Pittsburgh are getting the same "vibe" out there that I am here...
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Here is an interview with Jean Carnahan, the first since her husband's death.
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Liz W - 06:30 pm PST - Nov 4, 2000  - #102 of 353
President Bush? What shall we tell the children?

If Algore.com isn't helpful enough, call your local Gore HQ. They'll need phone banks on Monday evening and Tusday afternoon-evening till the polls close.

I've done this most of my life and you'll really enjoy the people that come to work for a candidate. BTW, if Gore HQ isn't close, or your congressman/senator is a close contest, that'll do too. I will be phoning for Adam Schiff, trying to get him to beat James Rogan. Any LA supporters wish to join me?
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Still waiting to get an incoherent Bush call.
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BEEP Saaay Dean! This is Dub-ya. I'm askin' fer yer vote, man. I'm a leader. I can lead. That's what leaders do.....Pass that beer on down here, little lady...Oh Dean! Y'all be sure to vote for ol' GW now, y'hear? BEEP.
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Time: 12:15 PM
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BTW, if you are in SE Pa, Philly, S NJ or N De Philly Dems are still looking for more GOTV vols so if you're looking to get active, here's your chance.
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Susan Nunes - 11:40 am PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #107 of 353
Bush Put the Fraud in Fraudida

I teach second grade at a private school. I plan to teach next year, but I won't teach at a private school again.
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By the way, the latest CA polls look good - Bush was a twit for thinking he had a chance here.
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Mind you, I expect they'll still vote for Bush. But don't be surprised if you see a Democratic senator, congressman and governor from Montana this year.
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The full text of the article is available at:

http://www.thehierophant.net/Eichler_Article.htm
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My mother tells me an 85-year-old man was going door to door in her central Pennsylvania neighborhood today, campaigning for Gore/Lieberman. Isn't that neat?!
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Dan Horton - 04:36 pm PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #112 of 353

I believe President Clinton's greatest contribution to the economy has been to get out of the way. I believe he's let Congress lead him domestically where he hasn't had the mentality to formulate original proposals and in return Congress has supported his foreign policies out of a sense of presenting a united front to other nations.

I personally feel we're in for a downturn in the economy. I supply equipment to both small and large businesses. Up until about 18 months ago, we were operating with prices that typically had not changed since the 1989-1994 time frame. Within the last 18 months, all of our prices have increased and some have changed two or three times. Typical increases have ranged from 3-10%. In talking over the fence to my competition, I find out I'm not alone. I predict inflation, higher interest rates and combined with the ever-present global unrest the next president will be in for a term that will make Mr. Clinton's look like a honeymoon.

I don't really care who wins the election. This year the only Democrats I'll be voting for will be for local offices where I have personal knowledge of qualifications or efforts I feel noteworthy. I decided in 1998 that I'll never pull the straight party ticket for the Democrats ever again. I don't blame the President. I do feel that the national Democratic party showed blatant arrogance and dishonor by protecting a man who is at best a liar and at worst a traitor. After the President's impeachment I saw the Republicans voting conscience which proved in many cases to oppose their party's leaders. The Democrats voted for their party's position straight down the line. I am now convinced the Democratic party places the good of the party above the good of the nation.

In 1992, I voted against Mr. Bush because I felt he just didn't get it. Regardless of how the election turns out on Tuesday, I can't wait to stand in line for hours to feel the satisfaction of pulling the lever for the Texas governor. I know the Democratic party doesn't care about people like me and my vote means relatively little to them. But it means a lot to me and it is all I've got to let the them know how I feel.
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Texas has thrived so under Bush's leadership. I truly wish we could somehow divide the country so those who swear by Bush could experience a Bush presidency without forcing the rest of us to suffer.
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j.d. wagner - 05:05 pm PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #114 of 353
I'm a drunken cokehead, can I be President daddy?

David: Sounds like great news in MT. Thanks for passing it along.

<Dan Horton - 04:36 pm PDT - Nov 5, 2000 - #112 of 113

...I believe President Clinton's greatest contribution to the economy has been to get out of the way. I believe he's let Congress lead him domestically where he hasn't had the mentality to formulate original proposals and in return Congress has supported his foreign policies out of a sense of presenting a united front to other nations.>

This President is one of the deepest thinkers in our history, has a remarkable grasp of detail, and knows policy inside out. Funny that all he's done is 'get out of the way' when so many Democrats lost their seats voting for the 'tax increase' of 93. You remember- the one that all the Goper's said would lead to inflation and recession?

<...I personally feel we're in for a downturn in the economy.>

..I'd agree that a downturn is inevitible. But if all Clinton did was get out of the way for the economy to grow, what will the next POTUS do? Is the next downturn HIS fault? Poeple like you want have it both ways...the President can't take credit for a good economy, but is sure to take the blame for a poor one.

<..I don't really care who wins the election. This year the only Democrats I'll be voting for will be for local offices where I have personal knowledge of qualifications or efforts I feel noteworthy. I decided in 1998 that I'll never pull the straight party ticket for the Democrats ever again. I don't blame the President. I do feel that the national Democratic party showed blatant arrogance and dishonor by protecting a man who is at best a liar and at worst a traitor. After the President's impeachment I saw the Republicans voting conscience which proved in many cases to oppose their party's leaders. The Democrats voted for their party's position straight down the line. I am now convinced the Democratic party places the good of the party above the good of the nation.>

Sorry, but I disagree and MY reaction to that whole debacle will be to never, ever pull the GOP lever again...even if I know and respect the candidate. It seems that even nice, reasonable GOPer's will side with their party when the heat is on. Take a look at the voting on any bill in Congress. Most are along party lines when push comes to shove.

<..In 1992, I voted against Mr. Bush because I felt he just didn't get it. Regardless of how the election turns out on Tuesday, I can't wait to stand in line for hours to feel the satisfaction of pulling the lever for the Texas governor. I know the Democratic party doesn't care about people like me and my vote means relatively little to them. But it means a lot to me and it is all I've got to let the them know how I feel.>

You don't know the joy that I'll feel for pulling the lever for Al Gore, and continuing down the ticket all the way to the one for local dog catcher. Every one, a DEM. I've seen enough of GOP partisanship and hatred for several lifetimes. All for the cheap reason of political advantage over their rivals at the expense of our country.
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Saw something so funny in Ann Arbor yesterday. On the corner of Liberty Street and Ashley, right in town, there is a great big sign that says, "Bush/Cheney, Blueprint for the Future." Somebody has painted a giant swastika in front of the B in Bush. It is a thing of beauty to behold. It took a lot of courage for some Democrat to climb up on that sign in the dark and paint that on there. It's been there for days according to one of my friends who saw it on Tuesday. I love this town.
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Having paid close attention to all the activity related to the impeachment, I have concluded that the votes FOR impeachment were dictated by politics, not conscience. I.e. my conclusion is that the Republicans' party line was unconscionable, not the Democrats'; so in this case the Democrats voting as a party was an honorable thing rather than disgraceful.
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MECowan - 05:49 pm PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #117 of 353
Republican's Syndrome: A neurological disorder characterized by spontaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of mind-boggling hypocrisy

Euphora, a friend who lives in Ann Arbor told me about a Bush/Cheney billboard right next to an unrelated by fortuitous message: "You'll Get Yours."
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ME, I've also heard that several Bush/Cheney signs have had beer cans afixed to them in the last couple of days, both here and in the Detroit area. Democrats and their wacky sense of humor. It warms the heart.
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Don't try to claim that you're a Democrat against Clinton/Gore, you're not smart enough to pull it off.
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I haven't noticed any Bush/Cheney signs were missing where I'd seen them before. Oh, well. Very few signs for any candidate in my neighborhood (Royal Oak). Lots of anti-voucher proposition signs.
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Mr. Havok, I appreciate your candor. Frankly, I'm not claiming to be a Democrat. I feel as betrayed by the Democratic party as my parents feel betrayed by Hoover early in the depression. I vote for the candidate I who best represents the best interests of my country, my community, me, my family. I quit being a yellow dog democrat 4 years ago. I haven't been this fired up about an election since Carter/Ford in 1976.
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Dan Horton, Anyone who quits being a Democrat in 2000 (or for that matter, ever) was never a "yellow dog Democrat" in the first place, IMO.
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Arden Forest - 06:18 pm PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #123 of 353
Today, at the dawn of the 21st century, the global village is finally complete. At last it has a global village idiot. --John O'Farrell, The Guardian, 1/20/01

I'm feeling inspired. I'm going to drink a sixpack of Bud (a nasty shock after my usual tasty import, but I feel it's my civic duty) and WALK around my neighborhood to place the empties prominently on top of the BuSh/Chain-y signs. (As Earth lies In the Balance, however, I will walk around again after the polls close to collect them for recycling. . . )

Just doing my bit to promote reason, common sense, and dignity in our nation.
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They do have a very strong Mayoral candidate in one of the rural counties, the island of Hawaii, though, who has a good chance of being elected, although the Machine there has thrown its strength behind the Republican candidate, mostly out of fear of the Greens.
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I pulled out an old Sammy Davis jr LP that was recorded live at the Sands a few years back. There were a lot of Texans in the crowd that night and they were having a great time. Sammy thanked them for coming to Vegas to hear him and said 'I'm glad you all came up here, cause there is no way I am going down there" Things change and things remain the same.One-Eye is proof of that! Regards Folsomjack
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RA Yates - 06:21 pm PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #126 of 353
Die Krankheit unserer Zeit ist der Perfektionismus. Konrad Adenauer

Well, my mother voted for Richard Nixon three times for President. She has since realized what a mistake those votes were.

Over the past 10 years I have become more and more a yellow dog Democrat. The Republican Party in Missouri, and especially in my community, has been taken over by the fundamentalist religious right. W., even more than his father, is influenced by them.

I find it interesting that W. appeared with Billy Graham, someone who believes that Jews are not getting into heaven. Well, if that is Graham's notion of heaven, then (to quote Mark Twain) it will certainly be one hell of a heaven.
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A well-financed Dem could blanket the 7th and 22nd districts with yard signs and advertising in the week before the election, and would appear to be running unopposed.
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Noticed Bush took a whacking on Friday late night TV, especially Leno...catching the SNL Presidential Bash special on NBC now...I forgot how funny the Dukakis / Bush debate parody was in '88...the SNL writers are lucky, the boy debates like the old man, no need to come up with new material! Are we starting to see the masses laughing at the prince without any clothes? :)
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And, to my surprise, friends who have GOP family members report that even they're going to vote for Mel, because they think Ashcroft is a sanctimonious crook. Evidently rumors are flying that he's become mysteriously wealthy since reaching DC. He's got the money for lots of TV ads, in which he sounds like a liberal; save Medicare, prescription drugs, lockboxes, etc. These are followed by NRA ads verbally denouncing "Gore's Justice Department" for trying to take all our guns while advising us in large print to vote for Ashcroft. I guess we do look that dumb from Washington.
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Euphora Webster - 07:08 pm PST - Nov 5, 2000  - #130 of 353
"We are the flow, we are the ebb. We are the weavers of the web." -Shekinah Mountainwater

I think Michigan is about to give Bush what they gave him during the primaries. Contrary to the press reports, the droves of Democrats that turned out for the Republican primaries and voted for McCain did so to stick it to Governor Engler who is widely despised here for numerous reasons. They were not McCain supporters, they were just sick of Engler saying he could "deliver" us to Bush. By the way, the only other politician who looks more like Jaba the Hut (?)than Spencer Abraham is John Engler. And, the only reason he won reelection last time was because the infamous Jeffrey Fieger (Jack Kavorkian's flamboyant lawyer) beat out a perfectly good Democrat in the primaries here because droves of Republicans turned out to vote in the Democratic primaries. The Dems paid them back this year by voting for McCain so Bush would lose Michigan. I expect they are now ready to finish the job.
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Right on Franny!! Let's pack them right off to Assholistan!!
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To paraphrase our friend from Missouri upthread, "We must look stupid from Texas."
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I would offer to trade votes but I can't because 1)Nader's not on the ballot, 2) no Bush voter would do it, and 3) I've already voted.
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The presidential race, last I heard, was leaning toward Bush, but it is too close to tell. Everyone I talk to is voting for Gore, but the "poll" show Bush with a lead. I have never been polled and don't know anyone who has, so... who knows?
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RA Yates - 07:04 am PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #135 of 353
Die Krankheit unserer Zeit ist der Perfektionismus. Konrad Adenauer

The problem with the "everyone I know" poll is that it provides a nice reality check. Almost everyone I work with except two are voting for Gore. I know two Bush voters because of abortion and another who will probably vote for Nader. The Nader voter does not believe anything is ever accomplished by voting. I strongly suspect he did not vote in 1996.

I remember 1972. Everyone I knew in Rogers Park in Chicago was voting for McGovern and I know that they did, too. That was an important reality check.
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<on edit> The Pa reporter stated one judge of turn out is the requests for absentee ballots and that his sources say these are running about the same as 1996 (when turn out was pretty good).
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We'll know tomorrow night though.
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Meanwhile, nearly every ad is political. It really is a grand - if nerve-wracking - time to be involved in politics in Madison.
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tenquid - 08:06 am PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #139 of 353
It is not time for all out preparation for violence, nor time for prevention of violence, but time instead to force those who would take rights, to take them by force. (Stirling Newberry 12/9/00)

Voice

Hang in there. I live near Minneapolis and have spent lots of time in your neck of the woods and have many friends there. It will be tight, but I have faith in their wisdom and generosity. I firmly believe Minnesota and Wisconsin will go Gore. Bush's repeated visits have only served to scare the crap out of Democrats and push them to want to vote.
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I saw on our local news last night that absentee ballot returns in CA are at a record high. I think turnout is going to be spectacular in this election, which can only be good news for Gore.
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It has gone into overdrive here in Madison. Friday, my mailbox was FILLED with political flyers. (Eight in one day. A new record.) For every party, from the presidential race to the local stuff. I've had flyers on my door and mailbox every day for the past week. EVERY night for the past two weeks I get at least one phone call (usually more) asking me who I plan on voting for. The thing that has really chapped me are the pre-recorded messages that are left on my machine. The only thing worse than the presidential race are the local races. Those are getting UGLY.
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Mother-jumpers.
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Gore Campaigns Here With Notorious Lesbian.
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P. Stevens - 10:04 am PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #144 of 353
Grow your own dope - plant a Bush.

Here in Northern New Mexico, Gore signs outnumber Viva Bush signs about 20 to 1. Downstate, closer to Texas, it's more conservative.

Poor New Mexico - so far from Heaven, so close to Texas.

The only reason NM is a swing state, though, is because of the pervasive Green presence. There's a close congressional race in Albuquerque. The Green candidate is polling 6%, enough to return the Republican incumbent to the House.

We're expecting a winter strom tomorow. That's okay - it's supposed to snow this time of year. Maybe the expatriate Texas retirees will be forced to stay home. They can't drive in the stuff and they might get their hand tooled boots, squash blossom necklaces, broomstick skirts and big hair wet.
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Off to do some GOTV work.
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The glorious main line--southeast PA, (maybe we need to get together, there seem to be a lot of us). I'm an inspector at the polls tomorrow and spent the morning making hundreds of copies of the AWOL flier, a devastating article from the Manchester Union, and a compilation of a half a dozen articles about pollution, health care and the schools in Texas, which our Democratic committeewoman will be passing out at the polls (Gulph Mills 2). Had a friend ask me to e-mail a couple of her friends with a non-partisan comparison of health care---forwarded the page of the local Klan supporting Bush to two Jewish voters. Talked to people at the supermarket, at the cable company and at TJ Maxx, asking everyone if they were voting, and got only one no. Three women said they found Bush frightening. An elderly hard core Republican woman finally bailed after the DUI, and is switching. Told my next door neighbor, who's voting for Bush that I'm emigrating if Bush wins and selling my house to "someone who needs it". I'm knackered.
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Just a quick aside, I sent a donation to the NAACP today and I hope that others might as well. Not only have they done a great job registering new voters, but their GOTV drive has been spectacular (and expensive). It might well determine the outcome of the election.
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I'm a bit concerned about all these reports of record numbers of absentee ballots. I hope this is above board and not some of Poppy's boys playing with things the way they used to do in other countries.
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Jamie Van Allen - 12:44 pm PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #149 of 353
Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage. - Shakespeare (Twelfth Night)

I live in SouthEast PA also, and cannot WAIT until the election is over. I'm constantly harassed via phone by both parties, not to mention the constant commercials via radio and TV. As much as I hate it that we're ignored during primary season (the candidates are already picked by the time we have our primary), I hate being a battleground state even more.

And I hate my congressman. He's anti-gun control, anti-free trade, anti-gay, anti-abortion, and he's a DEMOCRAT!!! But the fucking idiots in my congressional district keep voting for him because he runs as a democrat even though he's further to the right than Patrick Buchanan.
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Franny, my thoughts are the pubes told their party faithful to absentee, so they could bank their votes, add it to the "internal polls," and then leak the advantageous polls to Rush, Drudge. I've heard the report 3 times today that Bush's "private internal polls" says he'll win Florida and Calif.
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The problem is, Dee, that we really are. We've had break-ins, mysterious tapes, moles, cover-ups, SEC violations, AWOL and death threats. They're not make-believe, they're really happening. Just because we're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get us.
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ, you people are nuts. You've already figured out a way to explain why Gore didn't win - Bush and his cronies stole the election. Has it ever occurred to you that the majority of voters DO NOT agree with your point of view and are thus voting for someone else?! I'm voting for Gore and am not happy that Bush is going to win, but for Christ's sake I'm not going to blame the election results on some star chamberesque conspiracy.
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Aisling Donnal - 01:29 pm PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #154 of 353
GWB: Memo to self: Award Presidential Medal of Freedom to Ralph Nader

Nope, Jamie, it hasn't. What's occurred to me is that George Bush is currently under investigation in Texas for numerous violations of the law, and that most Americans are unaware of it. What's occurred to me is that I run into literally hundreds of people who know nothing about Funeralgate but are familiar with Al Gore's dog's medication. I'm not making excuses. I'd like to have seen a fairly and adequately reported campaign with people being given all the appropriate information to make an informed and intelligent decision. That's what the media is supposed ro do. They haven't done it. I happen to believe that the American public is smarter than the media and that tomorrow's results will reflect it, but I don't like break-ins and death threats and the media deciding what they'll report and what they won't. I don't like it that few people are aware that George Bush shirked his military obligation while American soldiers were dying, but think that Al Gore once said that he invented the internet.
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Aisling: I'd spam that post to as many people as you could. Sums up beautifully the thru-the-looking-glass nature of political reporting this cycle.
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Also, on NPR's Talk of the Nation,Terry Madonna, resident PA election guru said that in Pa Nader is taking more votes from Bush than Gore. Anyway, it seems to be close as fuzz on a tick's ear here in Pa.
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T Boggioni - 02:47 pm PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #158 of 353
Taking political advice from a Nader supporter is kind of like taking swimming lessons from Natalie Wood.

Something interesting happened at work today.

Our newly appointed IT VP decided to email a link to all employees listing the local registrar's website to find their polling places. All well and good. But then he added "May the best man win." and signed it with "From the right" and his name. Lastly he included a quote from the Bible.

Jesus on a pogostick! Did this cause a shitstorm in the office! Within two minutes three people were in the office of another VP complaining. The VP of Human Resources got emails requesting he "have a talk" with the offender. Almost the entire floor that I work on gathered in one open space to discuss it, and I learned a lot more about my fellow employees today. One thing that was a constant was everyone's belief that you keep your politics and your religion to yourself. The other thing was that not one person admitted that they were going to vote for Bush. Everybody basically had the same opinion: he's a stupid fratboy whose not ready for primetime.

This kind of made my day, because now I know that, if Gore loses, everyone will be in the same mood on Wednesday, with no gloaters wandering around.

As for the new VP, he managed to alienate most everybody in four short weeks.
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May his reign be short-lived. Doesn't sound as though he's ready for prime time either. One thing I've noticed since the DUI. There actually are Republicans out there who really believe in morality and "family values" and who are not hypocrites in their application thereof. They are not pleased.
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" 'I don't know about you' [he] told Democrats at a pre-election rally, 'but I take my faith pretty serioulsy, and that really, really offends me.' "
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Michael Bowen - 04:52 pm PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #162 of 353
Hige sceal že heardra, heorte že cenre, mod sceal že mare, že ure męgen lytlaš.

A Florida Republican campaign worker on NPR tonight said that there were 51,000 absentee ballots given out, and over 40,000 had already come back, making this by far the largest number they'd ever seen in Florida.

Oh, and the weather seems co-operative on the east coast, but lousy in the Mountain/Western plains states. Just something else for the analysts to spin...
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Things are looking up here in TN...BIG GOTV effort... Memphis Comercial Appeal endorsed Gore...Here in middle TN we have been keeping the phone lines hopping.....Tennesseans will vote for our faviorite son...The next President of the US....AL GORE !!!!!!!
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MECowan - 06:34 pm PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #168 of 353
Republican's Syndrome: A neurological disorder characterized by spontaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of mind-boggling hypocrisy

Euphora, you and I have exactly the same perspective on how things are going in Michigan. (Are you in Lynn Rivers' district, by the way?)

John "The Slug" Engler was taken apart by Paul Begala, and I missed it? RATS!
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If you're in range of TV stations in Nashville , my 13 year old is supposed to be on Channel 2 at 10pm explaining the Electoral College. They were doing man-on-the-street interviews, and he was the only one who knew anything about it.
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Sounds like you could "recycle" the joke about God telling St. Peter all the wonderful things he was going to give Scotland, until St. Peter objected that he might be making it too good. "Ah," says God, "But wait until you see the neighbors I'm giving them."
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(The other bad thing this means is that we may be the last county to report in Missouri. This clerk is not very good and in three of the last four elections my county has been one of the last to send results to the Secretary of State.)
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Rich Erwin - 09:50 pm PST - Nov 6, 2000  - #174 of 353
"Don't get mad, get elected. Then get even." - James Carville

Good news (to me, anyway ;-)) - the Zogby poll has Gore ahead nationally, 48% versus 46%.

Bad news - the same Zogby poll has Bush ahead in Wisconsin by two points, 45% to 43%. And we _need_ Wisconsin.

Why it may not matter - the same Zogby poll has Missouri, which they've had in Bush's camp half-past forever, now too close to call.

And this, mind you, is from the conservatives' favorite pollster.

The Hotline Poll shows Gore ahead in the Electoral College, 262 to 243, with 33 still up for grabs. If Gore can nail down Missouri or two smaller tossup states, say Maine or Arkansas plus Oregon, it's done.

hotlinescoop.com/web/contet/campaignscoop/whitehouse/evscpre.htm

It seems that Gore is benefitting from momentum more than Bush. Can anybody confirm or refute my opinion? Can anybody in more states, especially Florida, Wisconsin or Oregon mention what they see on the ground?

Wasington state, my neck of the woods, has been very tense. In our local Senate campaign, Maria Cantwell, for the first time, is now polling just ahead of Slade Gorton (which is fine by me). Gore is ahead by four points, but I expect it to narrow. State offices will go mostly Democrat, but the Legislature is a tossup as to whether we'll be stuck with a tie again, or a one vote majority for either side.

I know our local Republicans are worried, as they've been destroying Democrat yard signs as fast as they can (the worst being spray-painting or cutting out pieces of Lieberman's name so it says "Lierman").

Thankfully, I haven't heard any reports of preachers on the pulpit equating the Democrats with Satan (as I did personally when at my now ex-grandmother's church back in '92 - she made me feel much better afterward, saying "You know, they're gettin' a little flaky lately." ;-)).

Vote, help others do the same, get your local Naderite to see reason (I think I did with mine at work ;-)), and hang on tight - it's gonna be a loooong week, with all these absentee ballots.

Stand firm! We can do it!
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The local Fox affiliate just announced that Gore is leading the Shrub in the polls 50% - 42%. That would mean Nader gets 8%, which sounds about right for this state! (I'm assuming this is local...)
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Well, I've been up since three am, well into my second pot of coffee...getting ready to roll into my polling place for clerking. Please, people, volunteer today to take dems to the polls, especially if the weather is bad and you have a reliable car. People don't like using mass transit in bad weather. Try to make yourselves available at quitting times in your area...so many people just give up and go home cause they're too tired to vote. And be sure to thank them for voting. If anyone has voted absentee out there, and has a change of heart, CHECK YOUR LOCAL VOTER REGISTRATION and see if you can vote in person instead. In my state, IN, if you vote, your name gets marked off and when the absentees are delivered, if there is a duplicate voter, the absentee gets spoiled. It's been fun here on TT. I'll be looking forward to our victory banter tonight! GOTV!
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PA Sue - 04:52 am PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #178 of 353
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson

From the 56th Ward/41st Div NE Philadelphia, PA:

Just came back from voting...at 0703 I was #8 to vote with several more folks in line behind me... this comparable to where I was in the good turnout year of '92 (#12 but arrived a couple of minutes later that year)...voters weren't taking too long in the booth...prob straight pary voting...local Dem committeewoman seemed cuaght a little off guard that so many voters were out so early...our div has approx 700 voters, so 1% had already voted by 0710.

Our ward has a big Jewish pop. I expect Lieberman is a big draw, just like Sam Katz was in our mayoral race.

Our neighboring division, the 30th, had about two doz people waiting to vote.

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"When I voted today they gave us an "I Voted Today!" sticker. If they handed out Lollipops they would be called "Four Year Suckers""
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Just voted in suburban Chicago. Same precinct, time, 20 years. Today was huge, not like anything I've seen. There was a line outside and 20 min. to get a ballot. Larger line when I left. Heavily Republican normally, so can't guess what it means. But REALLY a big turnout.
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+much+ heavier turnout than normal. the fellow behind me was discussing voting for gore with his son. there seemed to be a drift towards gore, but hard to tell. gore will win NJ, i suspect. i'd just like to make sure that the 7th congressional seat goes to maryanne connelly, instead of that insane right-to-lifer ferguson (who opposes abortion even in the case of rape, incest, or life of the mother).
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On the way to work I passed a polling place that was packed. The Supervisor of Elections is predicting 80% turnout today (Leon County, Florida).
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Livin' low in Philly - 06:49 am PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #183 of 353

Voted this morning in Philly, lots of people in a very, very slow moving line. Only two workers who were a combined 140 years old and could barely write (nothing against the elderly). I'm going to try and get off early so I can go help out, it was awful. Can you just walk up and volunteer?
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Huge turnout at my local polls in Minnesota. Minnesotans love to vote, but this was amazing. At 7 AM in the rain, lines were out the door and the car park was packed.
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Euphora Webster - 08:11 am PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #189 of 353
"We are the flow, we are the ebb. We are the weavers of the web." -Shekinah Mountainwater

Got to the polls here in Ann Arbor when they opened at 7am. I was the 211th person to vote. Huge lines! This is Ann Arbor, but still, so encouraging.
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<on edit> Did anyone else hear one of the CNN anchors say, for the first time I've heard, that it might be an early night? <on edit>
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I gave up on trying to vote at my northern Atlanta suburban poll because cars were parked all over the road and people were lined up in the rain to vote. I'm hoping things will be better this p.m.
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A short waiting line for the poll booths in Seattle. I guess that goes as moderate, but there were a lot of absentee ballots requested.
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Susan, I live in Northwest Reno and the lines were out the door at 7 AM when I went to vote.
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wilyone - 11:03 am PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #196 of 353
George W. Bush, Commander in Thief, United States of America

Long lines at my polling place in Brooklyn (Park Slope) between 8 and 8:45. I usually vote after work, but decided to go early today.

Will be voting again elsewhere in NYC this evening, under one of my assumed names. Hoping like hell that none of the absentee ballots I've submitted under the names of dead relatives are disallowed.
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Long lines in Northern New Mexico, despite the snow. Since this is a sparsely populated area, lines are very unusual. The line at my precinct was about half Spanish and half Anglo. No Bush stickers on any of the cars outside.
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30 min. wait this morning at my local polling place, heavy turnout as of 11:15 am when I got there. The 11th District tends to vote Democrat (Cynthia McKinney's our rep.) Lots of Gore/Lieberman signs here, unlike the northern 'burbs.
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tenquid - 11:53 am PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #202 of 353
It is not time for all out preparation for violence, nor time for prevention of violence, but time instead to force those who would take rights, to take them by force. (Stirling Newberry 12/9/00)

Liam

Outstanding job! Leave those posters up...they may be a good omen.

I saw in an article this morning that one of the major Alaskan papers endorsed GORE! Who'd a thunk it?

Maybe the threat of the loss of ANWR finally woke folks up.
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AL Gore the next President of the US....
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Al-right! Cracks me up that the pastor doesn't realize his contribution to the effort....hehe.
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Dave Edmondson - 12:48 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #207 of 353
We couldn't all have been Cleopatra in previous lives.

I spent an hour waiting to vote in Alexandria, Va. The wait is normally five minutes, of which three are spent waiting for the person to checks the list to misspell my name in every possible way. Then again, elections that are not coronations are a novel concept here.
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Voted early in Tarrant County (home of Fort Worth) Texas as did a record number of other voters.The GOP says this because people couldn't wait to get out to vote for Bush, but I'm not so sure. Chaney savaged the local economy when he axed the military base. Texas and its electoral votes will still go to Bush, but I'm hoping anti-Chaney votes will help local Democrats.
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Mark Cohen - 01:20 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #213 of 353
No death penalty for the retarded--give Shrub a life sentence instead.

Orvetti.com reports:

3:42 p.m.: Republican sources tell Orvetti.com that GOP strategists are very worried about Bush's chances in Florida and Michigan....

If Bush loses Florida and Michigan, he's toast!!
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Michael Bowen - 01:42 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #219 of 353
Hige sceal že heardra, heorte že cenre, mod sceal že mare, že ure męgen lytlaš.

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Voted early in Houston. Enjoyed getting to vote against both Bush AND Delay (hey, Tom L). A pair of neighbors stopped by my house a few days ago to congratulate me on my courage in displaying a "Gore / Lieberman" sign in my yard. So far mine's the only one on my short street, but there are two "Bush / Cheney" signs.
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Liam Wescott - 03:04 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #225 of 353
Gore won the popular vote; Bush won the unpopular vote

Kent Lind 11/7/00 1:01pm

I figured it had to be the Juneau Empire. I went to the ADN website and all they had was the WP endorsement for Gore (plus a couple of newspapers endorsing him too). The JE website requires registering to access it. Do you know what date the endorsement was?

tenquid 11/7/00 12:42pm

Cracks me up that the pastor doesn't realize his contribution to the effort....hehe.

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The endorsement was this past Sunday. I'll email it to you.
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Kent Lind - 03:13 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #227 of 353
"you can't just let nature run wild"--ex Governor of Alaska Wally Hickle in support of an aerial wolf eradication program

Actually, here it is. Staunchly-Republican Juneau Empire endorses Gore:

There is a chance Alaska, the nation and the world will end up better off if George W. Bush or Al Gore is elected president. There is a chance, too, that economic prosperity, social equality, education, health care, the environment, and peace will erode regardless of whether Bush or Gore is elected.

The issues are more daunting than many people care to admit. Consider oil supply instability; illegal drugs; global warming; the high cost of medical care; quality of public education; abortion rights; political partisanship; military preparedness; international terrorism; the rich-poor gap at home and abroad; food supplies; college costs.

Are Bush or Gore up to the challenges of leadership? Is either nominee inspired or inspiring?

The candidates say they are. The polls say a substantial number of Americans have their doubts. We share those doubts and join the overwhelming majority of Americans who have even greater doubts about the candidates of minor parties.

Gore is the intellectual superior of Bush, but the vice president imagines himself to have been in the historical and pop culture spotlight more often than Forrest Gump. He reinvents himself from campaign stop to campaign stop. In trying too hard to please, he appears politically clumsy - a serial exaggerator.

Bush's positions on issues have been more consistent yet less palatable. His vision for the nation is as limited as his experience and as scripted as a pro wrestling match. Bush reached his mid-40s still not sure what he wanted to do with his life. His father's early ouster from the White House propelled Bush on a mission of restoration.

In lieu of damning with the faint praise of a lukewarm endorsement, we were prepared not to endorse at all. The events of the past three days forced us to reconsider.

It is not merely that Bush drank and drove at age 30, as we learned on Thursday. Nor that he failed as a presidential candidate to disclose that he drank and drove and was caught.

It is that when asked in 1998 by the Dallas Morning News if he had been arrested since 1968, two years after he was involved in a minor theft while at Yale, Bush said "No." Bush covered up in 1998 what he was forced to admit on Thursday: He had been arrested for a criminal offense that Americans take seriously.

It is that Bush lied - not that he exaggerated. It also is that Bush has made restoring honor and dignity to the office of the president a centerpiece of his campaign. And that Bush has tarred Gore for having served as Bill Clinton's vice president. This is the same Gore who chose as his running mate their party's leading critic of Mr. Clinton's behavior.

It also is that Bush says he did not reveal his drunk driving arrest because he wanted to protect his family.

Did Mr. Clinton engage in inappropriate behavior and then lie about it to protect his family?

Bush seeks to discredit the revelation of his DUI conviction on the basis of it having been revealed by a Democrat. When you lie about your criminal record, you have no room to complain about who sets the record straight, governor. In 1998, the Empire called on Mr. Clinton to resign or be impeached on the basis of his lies. Now, suddenly and unexpectedly, the Republican presidential nominee also has betrayed our trust. In this contest, neither Bush nor Gore was going to earn our enthusiastic endorsement. We can, however, be optimistic.

Our endorsement is lukewarm and it goes to Gore. Sigh.

PA Sue - 03:15 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #228 of 353
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson

Wilyone -

Pa is a complicated state. There are many "Casey" dems, i.e., socially conservative, but (union) economically populist. They'd vote for a candidate like Ron Klink (pro-life, semi pro-gun). These folk are in NE (Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Allentown) and SW Pa. I'd say they'll split about 50-50.

OTOH, repubs in SE Pa (Phila suburbs) are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. These folk are well-off, well-educated, ecology-minded, pro-choice issue-oriented voters. Their money pushes them to the GOP, but their social conscience pulls them to the dems.

Pa also has the 2nd highest % of seniors in the US and, since 80% of Pennsylvanians are born and die in Pa, the kids are still here with parental care responsibility making soc sec a big issue here.

I guess the simple explanation is that most of us don't fit the partisan stereotypes so the vote choice is unique to each person.

Sorry if that was more than anyone wanted to know about Pa.
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Not at all. There are lots of African-American Catholics.
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And Hispanic Catholics. Especially in Philadelphia and environs.
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MECowan - 03:40 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #234 of 353
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Thanks to MSNBC's state-by-state coverage, I finally found out who's running against my US representative, Sander Levin (D-Good Guys).

His last opponent was a Jennifer Dunn clone who ran commercials to tell us we should vote against Sandy because he's a liberal. I shouted at the TV, "That's why we keep voting for him, you twit!"
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I did not know there were Latinos in Philadelphia. The number of African-Americans is not significant in relation to the number of whites. I certainly do not mean to disparage such people, but there really are not that many when compared to the whole.
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Here Here! I wish Tom Campbell had a chance at winning, I long for the return of the moderate Republican. He is also pro-choice. He thinks for himself, Feinstein seems to have lost her edge, and though I always voted for her in the past, her ideas about the drug war and exploring alternatives treatments for addictions are so uniformed as to make her look pathetic.
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PA Sue - 05:06 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #238 of 353
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson

On Pa:

I think the "white Catholics" refers to what we call "Casey" (after Gov Bob) Dems. As I said before, they are social conservatives and economic populists. They are pro-life, pro-gun and pro-union and like the safety net gov't provides. If I were pushed, I'd say they'll break for Gore, but close maybe 51-49.

As for state races, yes there are some. The dems are trying to retake the Pa House and are making a big push in about 1/2 races around NE Pa (Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Allentown). Also, Pat Casey is trying to unseat a 1st term US Rep who beat him by a very slim margin (<100) in '98.

I think that is the race - the coal country of NE Pa.

Just some other tidbits -

Agriculture is the #1 industry in Pa.

Philly is about 50/50 white/non-white and has the 3rd largest Parochial school system in the US.

There are 5 main population centers: Pitts, Phila, Harrisburg, WBS and Erie. The rest is mountains, parks and farm/rural.

Sadly, we are also #4 in the US for number of hate groups.
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Euphora just reported that Debbie Stabenow is the new Senator from Michigan!
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Turtle, which corner of Maryland?
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Franny Rose - 06:53 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #243 of 353
Democracy, quite simply, was poisoned to put George W Bush in the White House. -- UK Guardian, 12/14/00

CNN needs to be included in the suit against the NY Times. They're GOP reps pure and simple.
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I just got back from the polls in Gulph Mills, SE, PA. Worked from 6 am 'til shutdown. Predominantly Republican district. Gore almost split 2 to 1--many, many voters split their tickets--voting all Republican BUT Bush. 74% turnout. I chewed my nails all day, and when we finally opened the machines breathed a huge sigh of relief.
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I'm writing in from Calif, waiting for the polls to close. Many of my friends and family are voting for Gore, but i live in Thousand Oaks Calif, and it tends to be fairly conservative, so who knows.
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MECowan - 07:45 pm PST - Nov 7, 2000  - #249 of 353
Republican's Syndrome: A neurological disorder characterized by spontaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of mind-boggling hypocrisy

Sheeit. A C-SPAN caller from Western Michigan is disappointed that Michigan went for Gore. "It's splitting us apart, we don't have a voice in Western Michigan, it's all because of race."

Translation: It's not right that those niggers get to vote so that things don't go our way.
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When I voted this am, no one asked me for ID. Now that I think about it, this seems off. I only had to state my address, and then I got checked on their list. I wonder whether this was the same throughout California and the country.
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I just got back from standing in the rain for hours in Nashville.
Gore never came out.
The Jubille Choir from TSU sang.
Daley came out and said there would be a recount, told us to go home.
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Didn't hear any more than what you did on TV.
In fact, we watched TV on a giant screen most of the time.
There were massive swings in emotions (and at least one Elvis impersonator in the crowd chanting for a recount).
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Ann Rubin - 02:25 am PST - Nov 8, 2000  - #256 of 353
Table Talk Manager

I hope you'll stay on top of the scene there. Perhaps you'll come back tomorrow (in a few hours?) with more reports.
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I went to bed thinking Bush won and woke up to news of a recount? I'm sure you'll all echo my feelings - what the heck?
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Notwithstanding the above, I'm happy to report that the great state of Maryland gave it up for Gore with 82% voter turnout.
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I won't bother to point out the many ironies here. Dismiss the story as irrelavent if you like. I don't mean to make blanket assertions about conservatives, nor do I judge these guys for having a good time with recreational drugs. All I can say is that its a damned weird world we live in.
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The Texas prison system doesn't sound terribly appealing, does it?
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Jeff D - 09:23 am PST - Nov 8, 2000  - #262 of 353
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You got it, wilyone.
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Jeff, that story is right out of the Twilight Zone.
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I've got a very good gay friend who's written me twice today (after weeks of silence). He lives in Auston, a recent transplant from Dallas. He's very scared about Bush winning. Very scared.
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I'm in Florida. Tons of rumors. No real information. Recount might be done today, might be tomorrow, conflicting reports on that. Sorry.
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Nice tagline, J. Rob.
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J. Rob Mac K - 02:48 pm PST - Nov 8, 2000  - #269 of 353
The Bush Crime Family Stole My Vote In Florida.

Thanks. :)

Here's some news to cheer everyone up:

PALM BEACH COUNTY BALLOTS VIOLATE STATE LAW!
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Fortunately, Gore and Stabenow won their races here, and vouchers went down in flames. Unfortunately, funding for arts institutions lost by only 1,000 votes.
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I don't know if this is the thread to ask this question, but here goes [and I didn't go through all the posts] -- which western state does all of its voting by mail? We have a debate at work on whether it's Wyoming or Oregon, but it could be somewhere else.
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Vicki, it's Oregon that did all of its voting by mail (exception: if you decided to late to mail the ballot, you could drop it off at one of a number of collection points).
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<on edit> Jeeze, I gotta read faster. x-post with Maia.
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Thanks for the info, ME & Beth. That explains why, last I saw, Oregon is undecided.
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Tracey Anderson - 12:08 pm PST - Nov 9, 2000  - #275 of 353
"I couldn't have done it otherwise. Gone on, I mean. I could not have gone through the awful wretched mess of life without having left a stain upon the silence." - Samuel Beckett

Here's an idea: Let Gush and Bore be co-prezzies and work out the partisan problems in this country between the two of them. Gush could be the front man and Bore could be the brains...
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Tracey - while that's not a terrible idea (they could be Prez on alternate days of the week), I'm wondering how they'd work it out constitutionally, as a practical matter...
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<http://www.geocities.com/countercoup/>
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Tracy Anderson: If people carried around tag lines in "real" life, and I met you on the street, I'd immediately ask you to marry me. Really. No kidding. (well, maybe I'm exagerating just a bit...) Great quote!
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Hey guys! I'm stopping here for a moment from the Florida discussion board. I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet here, but there is evidence surfacing of voter fraud in Tennessee. People who registered at TN-DOT never received their registration cards and were sent on wild goose chases when they tried to vote; most simply gave up. But that's nothing compared to the other thing that happened-- the polls in Hadley Park, a nearly 100% African-American district, closed TWO HOURS EARLY. There were tremendous lines around the block. There are rumors that this happened in similiar districts in Chattanooga and Memphis, but Hadley Park is no rumor-- I personally know many people who witnessed it.
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Maria Cantwell - D 973,256 48.61% Slade Gorton - R 977,511 48.82% Jeff Jared - L 51,411 2.56%
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MECowan - 05:17 pm PST - Nov 10, 2000  - #281 of 353
Republican's Syndrome: A neurological disorder characterized by spontaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of mind-boggling hypocrisy

Catherine, here is a site where you can report the Tennessee "irregularities" to the Democratic National Committee. They may already know about it, but it can't hurt to tell them. Have these incidents been reported in the local news media?
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Gore carried only one precinct locally and that was the UAF campus precinct (see, UAF students are smart!). Gore might have carried more precincts if not for Ralph.
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MECowan - 05:12 pm PST - Nov 13, 2000  - #286 of 353
Republican's Syndrome: A neurological disorder characterized by spontaneous, uncontrollable outbursts of mind-boggling hypocrisy

Dan, what neighborhood do you live in? I'm a native Cowtowner from the South End. I was disappointed but unsurprised that a Republican took the 12th District again. Nearly fell down and couldn't get back up when Columbus elected an African-American Democratic mayor. Can't decide which was more surprising.

(Royal Oak MI, where I live now, combines all the best features of German Village, Clintonville, and North High Street near OSU.)
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My neighborhood has never had a Bush/Cheney sign, and never will. The Gore/Lieberman signs will be up for the next four years, come hell or high water. (I live in Hollywood -- Hills, that is. Swimmin pools. Movie stars. The day this neighborhood goes Republican, the devil wears ice skates.)
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I wasn't surprised when the Bush/Cheney sign went up across the street from me. Those people are the most annoying people on the block. They buy firecrackers in mid-June and set them off late at night through August. Their dog barks. Their teenage son cranks his car radio up full blast when he's washing his car. He and his noisy friends play football in the street. For a while they even had a ROOSTER in their back yard, which ticked off the couple two doors down whose baby woke up every time the rooster crowed.
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StephenA - 04:59 am PST - Nov 14, 2000  - #291 of 353
I feel a need to lie, cheat, steal, and hate, all in the name of Jesus. Hey, don't you think I'd make a good Republican?

One afternoon a couple of years ago the guy diagonally across the street from me asked me if I could come take a look at his computer. I didn't know him very well, but I said, "sure". They seem like a nice couple; matching Distinguished Silver hair, matching Volvos... at the door, he stopped me and asked, "Now, you're lily-white, aren't you?" In the spirit of what I thought was a joke, I replied, "Well, my family came over from Nigeria, is that a problem?" I'm of Scottish/Welsh extraction, by the way. He laughed, made a joke... and somehow he never did let me into his house. Of course, they had the first Bush/Cheney sign to appear in the neighborhood. When I put up my Gore/Lieberman sign, other neighbors started complimenting me on my courage in putting up that sign in full view of the Nazis across the street.

By the way, my sign is still up; theirs came down a few days ago. I lost the bet I'd made with myself that mine would mysteriously disappear.
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We have an extremely corrupt local government which is now completely Republican. Our experience is not untypical in Tennessee which is now pretty much Republican in most regions. I don't see it shifting back to Democrats any time soon. The media is solidly Republican. If a real Democrat were to campaign and could get his message out, though, I think he could do well. I don't see that happening, however.
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Augie - 08:33 am PST - Nov 14, 2000  - #295 of 353
"No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

Arden Forest 11/14/00 8:29am

I'm amazed that the greenies would run a candidate in the NJ 12th. Holt was endorsed by virtually every conservation group, plus MOVEON. If Zimmers pulls that one out, add it to the greenies list of betrayals to progressives.
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There's a story in the Trenton Times today about Rush visiting an elementary school to talk to the children about their science experiments. Must be a nice change from the fuzzy equations & messy experiments of democracy.
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John Tataryn - 04:23 pm PST - Nov 14, 2000  - #299 of 353
Unintelligible at any speed.

To the citizens of the United States of America,

In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your Independence, effective today.

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following Rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed".

2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on your behalf.

3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard.

4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys.

5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through.

6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005.

7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde. The 98.85% of you who were not aware that there is a world outside your borders should count yurselves lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "sh*t".

8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day".

9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.
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William F. Burton - 04:34 pm PST - Nov 14, 2000  - #302 of 353
Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.

I've broken several bones playing rugby, I still play soccer, and I've been drunk on the HMS Ark Royal, but room temperature beer makes me want to vomit and I instinctively dislike those who drive on the left side of the road. What the hell am I supposed to do now?

My German is bad, my French is worse, and I could never pass for Spanish. Guess I'll have to move to Ireland (the unoccupied end) and lose the last of my tan.
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James Langevin (D-Rhode Island) was disabled in a shooting accident. Let's see those reps in the pocket of the NRA argue against gun control with a living example refuting them!
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John, very funny. Just sent on to my English BF. This was his first election. (That'll teach him to become an American citizen!)
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Cat Lewis - 08:18 am PST - Nov 15, 2000  - #308 of 353
"GET OVER IT??!!! I'm not gonna get over a GODDAMNED thing, let's get THAT straight!". Alcee Hastings

Arden - is Doug Palmer still Mayor, in Trenton?
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Hey folks... this regards Nashville, TN. In case y'all are in the Florida thread or the Fraud thread, I won't repost everything, so ask if you want to know more. I have been uncovering evidence of voter fraud in Nashville. AT the very least, voting irregularities have been PROVEN. I met with Nashville NAACP yesterday and will again tomorrow. We are going to pressure the district attorney to follow through with investigations.
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Jeff D - 11:47 am PST - Nov 16, 2000  - #314 of 353
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Look around at the homepage-- naacp.org
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I talked to Blondell Strong at the Nashville NAACP today and then to Mike McDonnell(city official) and folks, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INVESTIGATION!!!
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When I went out kayaking this morning, Gorton led by over 18,000 votes. When I got back this afternoon, this was the difference. Her campaign people have been saying she will make it up in the last two days and that they expected her to be trailing going into the last day of counting, but that she would emerge the winner that day. I was very skeptical this morning; I'm feeling a bit less so now.
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ALA BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tom L - 06:13 pm PST - Nov 17, 2000  - #319 of 353
"If you could just defrag your brain..." (Belinda)

From the Houston Chronicle, re: a recount in Waller County, TX: (sorry, archive not linkable)

HEMPSTEAD - With the ballots counted by machine, the election ended with the Democrat losing by five votes. He asked for a hand recount , and today he's the victor - by two votes.

In Waller County, folks have had their own reprise of the Al Gore-George W. Bush election controversy - a disputed vote involving two equally popular candidates and some less-than-reliable voting equipment.

The race pitted Republican challenger Bill Eplen against Democratic incumbent Leroy Singleton Jr. for the Precinct 1 seat on the Waller County Commissioners Court.

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County Elections Administrator Lela Loewe attributed the vote change to apparent problems with the county's 10-year-old optical ballot-scanning equipment. The system counts votes by scanning ballots for marks voters make with special pencils.

Eplen, 59, a retired Waller schools official, said he would not challenge the result of the recount , which he and Singleton were on hand with others to observe.

But he added ruefully, "This will forevermore make me question the accuracy of machine voting."
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Please note that the gracious loser of the Texas hand recount was the Republican candidate.
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A local township election (Hopewell) had a democratic council member win by ONE VOTE. This means that this town council has gone from being all-R to all-D in the last 3 years. This is an indication of the demographic shift in this part of NJ, as well as another example to counteract the grumble that "my vote won't count." Every vote counts-- if it is counted. Count on, Florida!
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Alessandra E.T. - 11:13 am PST - Nov 18, 2000  - #322 of 353

To the citizens of the United States of America,

In the light of your failure to elect anybody as President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves and, by extension, the freeworld, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today.

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories, including New Jersey.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, you are ordered to comply with the following acts:

1. Look up "revocation" in the now official Oxford Dictionary ($75). Start spelling English words correctly.

2. Learn at least the first 4 lines of "God Save The Queen"

3. Start referring to "soccer" as football

4. Declare war on Quebec and France

5. Arrest Mel Gibson for treason

6. Close down the NFL. Learn to play rugby

7. Enjoy warm flat beer and steak and kidney pudding. Train waitresses to be more aggressive with customers and not to tell you their names before you eat.

8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday, this has been replaced with November 5th

9. All members of this British Crown Dependency will be required to take 6 weeks annual vacation and observe statutory tea breaks.

10. Driving on the left is now compulsory - recall all cars to effect the change immediately.

11. Report to our Consulate General in NY -- M Wragg -- for your new passport and job allocation.

12. Meg Ryan is to report immediately to the Prince Andrews Bedchamber.

13. Add the Royal insignia to the top of the Washington Monument -- and the Queen's Christmas speeches to the Lincoln Memorial.

14. Stop referring to the World Series of Baseball and instead call it the National Series of USA, Canada, Cuba and Japan.

15. Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).

There are two easy ways to achieve this

a) Put up the price of gas so that it is the same as in the UK (approx $4.65 per US Gallon), and cream off the difference in tax.

b) Charge for all phone calls....

Thank you for your co-operation and have a nice day!
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I suppose next you'll be expecting us to pronounce Nicaragua "Nick-a-raag-you-ah" and Jaguar "Jag-you-are".
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Please write and urge them to follow through on the investigation of possible race-based voter fraud in Tennessee!
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Tina Kramer - 05:56 pm PST - Nov 20, 2000  - #325 of 353
Put Marvin Miller in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

You know, that was funny the first ten billion times I saw it. Now it's just stupid and boring.
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Count me in, Catherine. I printed the page so I'll have the addresses to hand.
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Thank you. :) I was just the special guest on Randall Vinson's radio talk show, WFSK 88.1 Nashville! I spoke about voter fraud and left some flyers. Several of the folks who called in had experienced voter fraud themselves in this election. By far the most intelligent and insightful program I've heard on radio yet through this whole thing.
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My only regret is that I didn't have any of my flyers with me, I had to come straight from work.
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That is GREAT. I am meeting with Nashville Legal Aid next week and conferring with prominent Birmingham attorney Stephen Noles. A time bomb is ticking in Tennessee. We are assembling the proof of vote fraud here.
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Arden Forest - 10:03 pm PST - Nov 28, 2000  - #331 of 353
Today, at the dawn of the 21st century, the global village is finally complete. At last it has a global village idiot. --John O'Farrell, The Guardian, 1/20/01

The NJ 12th Congresional District has started its hand recount of ballots-- at the request of Republican Dick Zimmer. They don't mind hand counting when they could benefit! I think Rush Holt will still come out on top.
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All it takes is to get the snowball rolling. Show your face for democracy!
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God Bless you.
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If that Texas Roadkill takes over the White House, I'll be wearing a black armband until he's tossed from it.
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Arden Forest - 12:40 pm PST - Nov 30, 2000  - #336 of 353
Today, at the dawn of the 21st century, the global village is finally complete. At last it has a global village idiot. --John O'Farrell, The Guardian, 1/20/01

12th Congressional District of NJ: Republican Dick Zimmer, seeing the hand count he had asked for was only netting Rush Holt (D) a larger margin of victory, conceded yesterday. Holt won by about 700 votes. Another very close local contest, for a seat on Mercer County Board, is still looking at punched ballots, hanging chads, and absentee ballots. The national angst is reduplicated in our microcosm, although with a lot less ill will.

The Holt victory is very gratifying and gives a small ray of hope.
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My Gore/Lieberman sign is still up, as is every G/L sign in the neighborhood. We shall prevail.
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In Washington state, Maria Cantwell is expected to keep her victory after the recount.
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This election is nowhere near being over.
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Former congressman Dick Zimmer-R finally conceded he lost here in central Jersey to incumbent Rush Holt-D. Margin of victory bigger than in Florida. Good little microcosm of the national race.
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Jimmy Havok - 03:15 pm PST - Dec 3, 2000  - #341 of 353
Dude! Where's my vote?

Press Release: Anti-Democracy Rally at Hawaii State Capitol

On Saturday, Dec. 2 at 1 pm, the entire local Republican Party gathered at the Hawaii State Capitol to condemn the messy and uncertain process of counting votes. The keynote speaker was Chad Worthlessness, PhD., of the Institute for Fuzzy Math.

"How do we really know anything?" he asked. "Certainly, two was larger than one the last time we checked, but how can we be sure that will be the case the next time?

"Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle demonstrates that the more we know about one thing, the less we know about another, and therefore counting votes introduces an unnecessary element of uncertainty into the outcome of an election. Don't get me wrong, I am not against voting, I simply realize that it is an unforgivable mistake to actually count more than a selected few of those votes.

"Since it has been scientifically demonstrated in our laboratories, using very expensive equipment with names you could never pronounce, that the only thing that can actually be counted with any accuracy is money, we at the Institute for Fuzzy Math recommend that a more accurate method of determining the winner of any election would be to add up the campaign spending of each candidate, and declare the Republican the winner."

He was followed by Adam Dumkopf of the Pomeranian Innumerati, a secret society formed in the 19th century for the purpose of steering history down as many blind alleys as possible.

To the cheers of the small crowd, Dumkopf said, "What is this counting stuff anyway? Why can't people simply follow orders the way they are supposed to?"

Hawaii Republican Party Chairman Linda Lingle then gave a speech pointing out that the governorship of Hawaii had been stolen from her by the same barbaric practice of counting votes that was now being proposed by Vice President Gore in Florida.

"Without this inconvenient and unfair practice of counting," Lingle said, "I would be Maximum Supreme Leader of the Hawaiian Reich today. It is unfair that our strength should be restrained by the will of the weak and the decent. We must destroy them!"

Dale Gardiner of the Voter Integrity Project then spoke, warning, "We know who you are and how you voted. Do not expect to escape the wrath of God!"

With only a couple of minutes of prompting, the crowd broke into a spontaneous chant of "We can't count, why should you?" and chased a couple of hapless democracy advocates from the Capitol grounds.

A spokesman for the organizers of the rally promised that they would continue to demonstrate until the very idea of democracy had been destroyed.

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And in the Washington Post, a feature on Sen. Hillary includes a photo of Hillary with Debbie. (They've known each other since working on a commission together about 10 years ago.)
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Rumor has it that Kay Bailey H. will run for gov. of Texas if Shrub wins. Better for the nation, I suppose, but those poor Texans...
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StephenA - 08:56 am PST - Dec 6, 2000  - #344 of 353
I feel a need to lie, cheat, steal, and hate, all in the name of Jesus. Hey, don't you think I'd make a good Republican?

Governor Kay... I'd better get involved in campaigning against her NOW. It's bad enough that she's Phil Gramm's puppet while a SENATOR, but as GOVERNOR...!

But on reflection, we've had a puppet Governor for years here in Texas, anyway.
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Washington Post: Jean Carnahan Named to Senate"
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Message to Spence: Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
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I'm really proud of my ten-foot "Count the Votes, protect democracy" banner. It's hanging over my apartment's balcony this week.
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They don't even need the Brown Shirts!
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Jimmy Havok - 11:47 pm PST - Dec 11, 2000  - #351 of 353
Dude! Where's my vote?

Wore my orange riboon today, had a few more in my pocket. Three people asked me what it was about, all were very approving when I said "Count the votes!" Two of them took ribbons to wear.

Wear your ribbon, and pass them out. It's a virus.
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At least a foot of snow overnight. What joy.
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Perhaps my disheveled appearence and shopping cart full of garbage disarms them...
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