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Diagnosing Dubya: What's Wrong With Georgie?
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LetterMan - 12:00 am Pacific Time - Apr 18, 2003
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Narcissitic Personality Disorder? Alcoholism? Substance Abuse? Oedipal Complex? Sociopathic tendencies? Dry Drunk? What's wrong with George Bush?

Discuss.

Personally I think he's got serious NPD coupled with major delusions of grandeur. He's sociopathic and probably still abuses alcohol at least (he may still be abusing drugs).

I suspect that he's on medication most of the time to give him at least the outward appearance of sobriety.

I also think it is only a matter of time before he implodes and/or falls off the wagon (if indeed he ever got on the thing in the first place.)

What's wrong with him?

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Spoiled. Rich. Self centered. Self entitled. Meglomaniac. Thinks he's the messiah. No sense of responsibility for his actions. Unaware of others. Immature. Lies. Has a problem with masculinity. And hasn't got an ounce of empathy.

Diagnosis: Sociopath.

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Ask a Psychologist - I am not but, starting with childhood, born rich, spoiled rotten, always bailed out of trouble by Daddy, a life of privelege, all things wired by Dad - Guard assignment for example, AWOL ignored and overlooked, drug questions ignored and buried, "C" student who never applied himself to anything, Daddy's rich friends hand him $$$ to become a multi-millionaire.... inferiority complex over Dad, in-adequate, rebellious, incompetent, and on and on it goes.

First time I saw those beady little eyes smilin and a smirkin over executin a woman I knew he was pure fucking evil.

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Poor George, he cannot help himself, he was born with a silver straw up his nose.

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I would say he is normal rich twit Republican.

Who basically thinks what the last person who talked to him told him to think.

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And the crux of the problem is; he only speaks to "ONE" narrow-minded ignorant group of people - all brain-dead neo-nazi conservatives. Total in-flexibility, absolute ridigity, steel-trap mind; nothing new gets in - and damn little to get out.

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Dry drunk, with occasional "slips" as AA'ers call 'em. He seems to be on some kind of medication. He needs intense care and monitoring 24/7 or he'll blow like a keg of TNT.

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I keep waiting for the blowout.

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Diagnosis; Dry-drunk sociopath.

Cure; Early retirement.

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"Time and patience turn the mulberry leaf into silk." I predict some kind of implosion/explosion that will be covered up. However, the cover up won't last, and the victims of the incident will be people you'd least expect. I hope Lynne is taking good care of her hubby.

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jim coil - yes.

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I cannot blame him for thinking he is God’s chosen one. Have you ever met a person who has been so blessed with material success and abject groveling by his betters who deserved it less? You cannot credit intelligence, hard work, charm, tenacity, control or any of the other things that cause a person to succeed. How else to explain Chimp’s success except the hand of God? Which, tells me a whole lot about why our world is the way it is, God either is one sick bastard or he is nuts.

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I suspect he had a major melt-down during the recount. He is taking some heavy duty meds, someone had posted what it was a week or so ago, but I don't recall what it was. It was a drug that you wouldn't want a competent person in his position to take, let alone this psychological haz-mat waste pit.

Sociopath with NPD. Poly-substance abuser beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Well, lots of people get messages from god. Sometimes god tells them to kill their families. Sometimes god just has random conversations. You see the homeless talking to god a lot. Why god put Dubya in the White House, and thousands of others in the street I couldn't tell you. When god talks to me, s/he sounds suspiciously like my own voice telling me what I want to hear.

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maybe he thinks karl rove is God?

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Walleye - that explains a lot. Good thinking.

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sandi h posted this in a Pol thread; Ricks.

I thought if George could use the phone and dail the right number;

"Subject: Answering Machine at a Mental Hospital

"Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline..."

If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.

If you are codependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.

If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5, and 6.

If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.

If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred to the mother ship.

If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.

If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press; no one will answer.

If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, telephone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother's maiden name.

If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the beep or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for the beep.

If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.

If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All of our operators are too busy to talk to you.

If you are menopausal, hang up, turn on the fan, lie down and cry. You won't be crazy forever.

If you are blonde, please don't press any buttons; you'll just mess it up.

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I have heard that before but it still gets a chuckle out of me.

Thanks jim for typing it.

jim coil - 06:55 am Pacific Time - Apr 18, 2003  - #19 of 139
The real Bush record; 2.5 million jobs lost. $500 billion deficit. And an illegal war where the terrorists weren't and the WMD's evaporated.

thanx sandi -

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I think the pretzel incident was a mini-meltdown.

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Yeah, but that was no pretzel. I think he passed out drunk.

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My diagnosis: NPD dry-drunk, with serious mother issues.

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Maybe his handlers just ought to let him drink. That's what I'd do.

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That's what they ARE doing. Who the hell do you think is drinking all that Lone Star beer the SS keeps hauling onto Air Force One?

Anyone normal would get Miller or Bud.

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Ya think?

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He's a robot.

That is all

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He's only a dry-drunk when the cameras are rolling. I suspect that behind closed doors, he's washing the pretzels down with boatloads of demon rum, or demon Lone Star, as the case may be.

Substance abuse, coupled with massive amounts of arrogance and stupidity go a long way in producing an asshole. And, since big Babs, has been known to pour down alot of gin in her time, fetal alchohol syndrome explains alot.

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Interesting, but I didn't try filling it out:

http://evalsuite.medinfo.ufl.edu/examples/comp/

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Well, one thing's for sure. We should all be very frightened that this man is sitting where he is. In a normal world he would be forced to have a psychiatric examination.

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He's rich, he can't be crazy.

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Didn't they say the same thing about Howard Hughes who started to only eat twinkies off of lots of napkins?

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I've read quite a few of the articles about him because I can't understand how he's gotten where he is. Is the rest of the world blind?

But the reporters who've spent time with him seem to agree that he's personable, charming and has a sense of humor. If he does have a sense of humor, that indicates to me a certain amount of empathy, hard as it is to believe. At least on a one-on-one basis.

My take is: alcoholic, still drinking, probably a functional drug addict as well. He clearly thinks he has a "purpose" in life, and believes that "god" is the one making things easier for him, rather than family money and influence. So he's delusional and megalomaniacal (word?) He's also shallow to the point of pathology - he seems to be skating along with this idea that he can do no wrong, and he doesn't dare to dip into any deeper thoughts of conseqences. As for empathy for others - I don't think he believes people outside his immediate sphere (wealthy republicans and whoever else gets into his circle) are actually human or worthy of concern. That particular attitude seems like a sign of insanity to me, but as it turns out he has it in common with most of the rest of his ilk. (meaning: wealthy, privileged, and undeservedly blessed.)

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I'll have to agree with all of that Jen.

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One of the little manipulation traits of a sociopath is charm.

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Susie, I know everyone says he is charming, but I think he looks slippery.....swishy. He reminds me of what some people call a four-flusher.

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Also, Dubya's "sense of humor" has a very mean-spirited edge to it. One example is his assigning nicknames to reporters and even other world leaders (remember "Pooty-Poot"?). The nicknames usually aren't very nice, and the Chimp doesn't even bother to ask if it's okay.

As for charm, can anyone say OJ Simpson and Ted Bundy?

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If he werent born rich, he'd be putting up drywall, closing the local saloon every night, and being everybody's drinkin' buddy.

I think being pushed into a position light-years ahead of his capabilities has had a disastrous effect on this man. Lets hope he doesnt take us and the rest of the world with him when he crashes, which he will.

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I think the "charm" bush supposedly radiates is the allure of being part of the old boys club. Reporters are especially vulnerable to this as they spend their lives chasing celebrities. Also his overweening self-assurance that most people puzzle to find the basis for.

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He reminds me of a creepy cousin I had who spent a lot time banging his fist into other guys shoulders after insulting their wives.

He has a kind of Jaycee "good humor" which says, Aw shucks, I am one of the guys. When you know he, the most meaningful relationship he has is probably with his dog.

Michelle M. - 10:40 am Pacific Time - Apr 19, 2003  - #40 of 139

This doesn’t seem to fit the chimp. Every time he is around Spot or Barney they look either very unhappy or they are fast-footing it out of there. I would say the only meaningful relationship chimp has had is with Jim and Jack.

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Yup, and that's probably why he spends those loooong weekends out at Camp David.

Seriously though, I wonder just how long he'll last before he implodes.

I have a Very Bad Thought that the only thing that will wake people up at long last is for them to see the true face of George Bush.

If he loses it and/or implodes, that alone might be enough to wake the country up to the cowardly, unbalanced, fool we have squatting in the White House.

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...the most meaningful relationship he has is probably with his dog.

I would say the only meaningful relationship chimp has had is with Jim and Jack.

Michelle beat me to it.

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As a woman, I don't find him the least bit charming. I find him repulsive. He reminds me of the frat boys I encountered who thought it was cool to force sex on their female counterparts, and walk away blameless afterward if their female counterpart (many of whom thought themselves in love with the guy) became pregnant. I was one of those young women who was forced to go into hiding during my pregnancy, and forced to give my baby up for adoption, while the father of my child got no more than a slap on the wrist, and went flying free.

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The thought of many small w jr.s out there is terrifying. His genetic material should be quarantined like the smallpox vials.

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Well....I suspect he is as lonely and as isolated and distrustful as Nixon.

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At least Nixon was frustrated in his attempt to talk with God, according to Kissinger. Georgie thinks God is his best bud.

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W should go back to drinking full time. We'd be better off.

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Interesting responses to this thread so far.

I started this thread partly because I have seen discussions about this topic on other threads here in the WH folder, as well as other places on the 'Net but not a place to discuss this.

George Walker Bush is probably hiding behind a chemical Berlin Wall of various drugs and/or medications to keep reality at bay. In addition, he may very well be still abusing alcohol.

This is a very, very serious issue.

This man is the least qualified person ever to have occupied the White House. Period. Add to his obvious pyschological shortcomings and throw in the drugs he's probably been prescibed and what you have is a recipie for disaster.

Clearly, something (or probably several somethings) is wrong with George W. Bush.

Now, the other reason I started this thread was because of a conversation I had with a friend of mine a few weeks ago.

He's a retired geologist and now is an ordained minister. We started talking about George W. (my friend is a Democrat) and the subject of W's psychological and substance abuse problems came up.

My friend was a drunk back in the 1970s, when he first moved up here. I asked him if he had seen any evidence in any of W's public appearances, speeches, etc. that would lead him to the conclusion that George W. Bush is still abusing drugs and/or alcohol.

His response was that he immediately turns off the television or radio whenever he sees or hears Bush because he can't stand the sight of that man or the sound of his voice. Therefore he had no answer for my question.

I then told him about some of the things that have been said here (e.g., doxie's links to pictures of Georgie), and the "dry drunk" syndrome some people online have diagnosed George Bush with.

My friend agreed that there is a very strong possibility that Bush is still addicted to and is abusing alcohol. Basically, he thinks that it is extremely difficult for someone to break the addiction to alcohol or drugs just by themselves. You need some kind of external agency, be it a support group, therapy, counseling, whatever to break the addiction. Turning to religion sometimes works, usually not, especially if you are not genuine about it, which he feels George W. is definitely not.

Now, the thing that frankly scares my friend most is George W's "religious fanaticism" (as he called it) with the underlying notion that George W. Bush claims to talk to God, and that God supposedly talks back to him.

My friend flat out thinks that makes George W. Bush certifiably insane. In other conversations I have had with him, he has explained that there are firm theological grounds for why, except in very, very rare cases, God does not talk to people directly in the way George W. Bush says is happening.

My friend doesn't scare easily but he believes that it is only a matter of time before George W. Bush completely loses any connection to reality. In other words, God will tell him to start World War Three and Junior will do it.

As a minister and man of God, this scares my friend more than anything else and is the principle reason he prays every day to put George W. Bush in God's hands (and away from the button) until he is out of office.

Needless to say, after this conversation, I started getting worried.

The man is incompetent, suffering from various psychological delusions and problems, is probably on various medications for those problems (in addition to medications to give him at least the outward appearance of sobriety), and his handlers are probably doing their best to keep him insulated from reality at all costs.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a recipie for disaster and that we will be seeing the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the Constitution kicking in sometime in the near future?

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Has anyone read Conversations with God? The comparisons of the two are at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum. CWG's author was also an alcoholic. But the power of his conversations was to try and transform the world as a place of good. Do good. Be good. Whether you believe he had actual conversations isn't so much the point as being a catalyst for good deeds for yourself and the world around you. Be kind to yourself. Be kind to others. etc.

But the exact opposite is the case with w. He uses God's voice as a means and jusitifcation for destruction. And that tip toes too close to the world of schizophrenics who are told, "kill thy neighbor" Sounds more like Satan's voice than God's.

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It's real simple...

He's just an evil sonofabitch!

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That's one danger of fundamentalism--the isolation. Most religions have built-in checks--communities, priests, ministers, pastors, rabbis, mullahs, congregations, discernment committees, etc.--to whom one can (and a lot of times, must) go if one believes one has been called by God to do something special, particularly if that something involves more than just changing one's mode of life. And there's usually traditional authority as well to call upon. But the congregationless fundamentalist has only him/herself and the Bible, with no counterbalances, no reality checks. In Bush's case, where he summons only selected clergy and has no long-term congregational ties, that's dangerous and probably delusional.

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People are starting to say it in public:

Is Bush A 'Dry Drunk'? (Harley Sorensen, San Francisco Chronicle)

"Dry Drunk" Syndrome and George W. Bush (Katherine van Wormer, CounterPunch)

Diagnosing Dubya (Carol Wolman, M.D., Counterpunch)

"Shrub" Bush's Pathological Focus On Saddam Hussein (Alvin Wyman Walker, PhD, PD, PC, Black Commentator)

There's also a commentary from the London Independent, for which I can't find a link, that describe Bush as paranoid -- in the DSM-IV sense, not the colloquial.

c crean - 05:31 am Pacific Time - Apr 21, 2003  - #53 of 139
"The shit is not the shit. The pigeon is the shit." Zadie Smith, "White Teeth"

Great work, Maia!

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My friend doesn't scare easily but he believes that it is only a matter of time before George W. Bush completely loses any connection to reality.

Yes but how will we ever know and what could we ever do about it? My guess is that Rovesputin and his cadre will firmly take the strings in their hands that they have light hold of now.

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Rovesputin

HAd to see that again !

And it explains so much.

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I've also been calling him Rovespierre.

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How's about Cardinal Rovelieu?

Odd so many puppetmasters' names start with R.

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The single fact that he thinks God is directing his actions tells me he's a delusional psychotic.

As far as having any meaningful relationships, I seriously doubt he has any outside himself; he accepts no blame and shares no possible glory/

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It's hard to take blame for anything when you feel you have a direct hotline to God.

It's too easy. Surely the "god hotline" schpiel must be a PR line created by Rovespeak to appeal to the fundies. Why would they want to alienate everyone else by portraying him as a friggin' lunatic?

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GW is not missed when he leaves... nobody cared that he went A.W.O.L... maybe he was hard on the machinery...maybe he was dangerous to fly with or could not hit a target...but nobody gave a damn that he was no longer there...that is what is telling about him...if Shaq O'neal doesn't show up for a game the team is less...people complain because he is needed...but GW is gone for a year and no one cared... the team (fighter group) did not need him.

I believe everyone was happy when he left.

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That is an aspect I hadn’t thought about. He was probably a super pain in the ass, the kind of person who flaunted his position and never pulled his weight. He had too many connections to fire him or force him to do his job so the best you could hope for was nothing, one of those people who you don’t care where they go as long as it is away.

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e-tool has hit the nail on the head, I believe

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yes that is the feeling I get from all the "chicken hawks" no one would want to be near them in a combat situation...can you imagine Rush Limbaugh on a forced march... "I can't go on...my butt hurts..." or at night on the lines...in a listening post fighting hole..."Shut the fuck up, private limbaugh...you are jeopardizing our position."

It is for the best that no one wanted them in the military.

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Tee Hee, the image of Limbaugh behind the lines requires a leap of imagination.

Or, if Georgie boy were out there on the front, I can see him cowering in the back of his transport, hiding under a pile of blankets..

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Crying for Babs.

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In noncombat situations, he'd be constantly trying to "charm" people into doing his work for him. Or just not bothering to do it, then getting all "what's your point?" when reprimanded for it.

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"Shut the fuck up, private limbaugh...you are jeopardizing our position."

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! (only funny if my life did NOT depended on him)

e-tool has hit the nail on the head

E-tool, you are so right on.

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maybe he was dangerous to fly with or could not hit a target...

I remember reading an account by a friend of Baby Docs whereby said friend (Bath maybe?) recounted a flight he took with Baby Doc piloting a small craft. It sounded like a most harrowing experience. I could easily see Baby Doc doing something like cutting the line for a ski lift while hot-dogging around.

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Bush's Messiah Complex

A picture emerges from the President's public statements--and even from such adulatory accounts as Bob Woodward's Bush at War and David Frum's The Right Man--of a President on a divine mission.

Call it messianic militarism.

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While there's nothing wrong with a President trying to make the world a better place, when the man in the Oval Office feels divinely inspired to reshape the world through violent means, that's a scary prospect.

The grandiosity of Bush's vision can no longer be denied.

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"What I hear is a holy trinity of militarism, masculinism, and messianic zeal," says Lee Quinby, professor of American Studies at Hobart and William Smith Colleges in Geneva, New York. "It does follow the logic of apocalyptic thought, which has a religious base but is now secularized in the militaristic mode. Apocalyptic thought always has an element of instilling helplessness and promising victory in the face of that powerlessness. In this instance, Bush plays up the vulnerability we feel because of terrorism or Saddam Hussein and then accentuates the military as the assurance that our helplessness will be transformed." This kind of thinking, says Quinby, is "dangerous because it prepares a nation for war without thinking about the impact on civilians and on the U.S. soldiers."

There's also the risk that Bush is so convinced that God's on our side that he may commit a blunder of horrifying proportions.

A. Herbst - 01:20 pm Pacific Time - Apr 21, 2003  - #70 of 139
It's that time of year, again. "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!"

The problem with e-tool's theory is the whole unit were fuck ups and screw offs. Remember this was a 'champagne' unit - a hidy hole for rich, white guys' spawn. If the paper work is any indication, those clowns couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

I think Smirk got him sweet self crosswise of the Ellsworth's wing commander (aircraft accident, incident at O Club, pissing on the chapel lawn, whatever) and wc told Smirky's commander to get him off base ASAP or things would go ugly early.

I'm sure everyone was singing "Thank God in Greyhound you're gone" as he drove out the gates because even then he had to be the hemorrhoid we've come to know and love. However, an asshole in a unit of assholes had to do something over and above to get the sundowner treatment.

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I remember speculation at the height of Marty's AWOL investigation that Dubya ditched a jet. In one of the news articles about his NG days, somebody who was in the Texas NG the same time as Dubya said he didn't even know where to park the plane. This suggests he didn't get as much flying time as he'd like us to think. And if he was drinking heavily....

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Let's say his name is George Bushite, he's the town dunk, a failed used car salesman, a drug addict, a total loser - but for the grace of god his Daddy's in charge of the CIA after serving as president (failed one term) - just how fucked up is America?

It's just like any Arab country where dad passes the shit to the son.

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an asshole in a unit of assholes had to do something over and above to get the sundowner treatment.

eXACTly!

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".... Dubya ditched a jet..."

I don't think he could have gotten away clean with an inflight accident - even Poppy couldn't have covered that.

However, a flight line fuckup, like ramming another plane or, worse, endangering line personnel would have had the wing commander and air ops obtaining orbital velocity in nanosecond. The thought of the paperwork alone will make them go beserker.

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That's a thought, Anita -- taxied his plane into another plane. I can see it happening.

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I don't think he could have gotten away clean with an inflight accident - even Poppy couldn't have covered that.

Why not? That's his babyboy.

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Bush's Armageddon Obsession, Revisited

The Reverend Billy Graham taught Bush to live in anticipation of the Second Coming but it was his friendship with Dr. Tony Evans that shaped Bush's political understanding of how to deport himself in an apocalyptic era. Dr. Evans, the pastor of a large Dallas church and a founder of the Promise Keepers movement taught Bush about "how the world should be seen from a divine viewpoint," according to Dr. Martin Hawkins, Evans assistant pastor.

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In dominionism we can see the theological source of Bush's monomania. Not to be distracted by the fact that he lost the popular election by a half a million votes, that the Joint Chief of Staff at the Pentagon were so concerned about his plans to invade Iraq that they leaked their unanimous objection, that he has systematically alienated much of the world, that roughly seventy percent of Americans remain unconvinced of the imminent threat of Saddam Hussein and the same percentage object to war if there will be significant American casualties--none of this is in the least relevant. He believes his mandate toward action is from God.

As I've said elsewhere, usually when somebody announces that God talks directly to him, they give him a rubber room, not an Oval Office.

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Spoke to a friend of mine in the financial world today who says the corporate world is very scared of where w is leading the nation. There are very subtle hints in the financial papers but no one will openly speak out for fear of seeing their company targetted and their products boycotted. Apparently, this is the topic of conversation amongst the executive washroom crowd.

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Bush's "Cessna Incident," courtesy of Dubyaspeak.com:

"Evans said he'd love to go flying. At the airport he watched Bush stare at the controls, at the panel, and he realized that Bush -- though not admitting it -- had no idea how to fly the thing properly. After finally figuring out how to launch the plane, Bush pushed the Cessna hard down the runway. Evans screamed, "Give it some gas!" The Cessna's warning system was blinking and crackling. Bush tried to lift his craft fast, almost as if he were piloting a jet back in the Texas Air National Guard. The plane wobbled into the air, and the unsubtle maneuvering threatened to shove it into a stall. Now the rented plane was rattling in the sky over Midland."

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"After more seemingly endless moments, he somehow got control of the plane again. He aimed the aircraft down, and the landing was as shaky and brutal as the takeoff. The plane careened off the runway and onto the desert. Evans sighed in relief. Then an unbelieving Evans braced himself as Bush suddenly and unexpectedly spun the plane and bounced back along the runway. Evans stared at Bush. He could see the fear and panic flooding his face."

More here (scroll down to bottom of page).

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Too many people and agencies involved, Julia. I worked an aircraft accident board once. Believe me, the DAR was about the only group that didn't have input.

Poppy couldn't have made the FAA go away for one example. He's good; he's not that good.

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From now on he's Johnny Walker Bush.

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the corporate world is very scared of where w is leading the nation.

Well, too bad for them. They wanted him, now they've got him. And they shoved him onto the rest of us. What are they going to do about it?

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Poppy couldn't have made the FAA go away for one example. He's good; he's not that good.

Maybe not but I've just never heard of an incident where $hrub, Inc. didn't get away scot free.

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The fact that rich people vote Republican proves to me it does not take intelligence to make money.

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Well, too bad for them. They wanted him, now they've got him. And they shoved him onto the rest of us. What are they going to do about it?

Idiots.

Susie Dow - 02:01 pm Pacific Time - Apr 21, 2003  - #86 of 139
Two intelligence failures too many.

I'd have to find out more but I suspect they thought they would get tax legislation in their favor. It probably never occurred to any of them that they'd pay thru the nose for it.

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The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again.

Unrepaired roads can destroy the suspension on a Hummer as quickly as on a Chevette. Too bad for the tax-cut fans.

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One of our wonderful lurkers sent me the link to the article I remembered that call Dubya paranoid.

The nightmare world of a paranoid president

From the notion that ridding the world of the Iraqi leader will reduce the universal terrorist threat to the presumption of a direct link between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, Mr Bush came across as inhabiting the nightmare world of a paranoiac who sees mortal danger around every corner. Wherever you look, he implied, there are threats to America and Americans.

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At times, the American President came across as a scared suburban parent, terrified of the unknown, averse to all risk and fixed on keeping his household and his neighbourhood "safe".

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Well, when you're a moral and physical coward, chances are everything will terrify you.

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I put Dubya in the same category as the televangelists that terrify their audience into believing the world is an evil, dangerous place -- and that they must do what the televangelist says to be saved from its dangers.

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And we thought it was bad when Nixon got drunk and talked to the pictures on the wall. Those look like good times, compared to now.

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I had another conversation with my friend mentioned upthread, right after the war began in earnest.

We were commiserating about the terrible consequences this war will almost certainly bring down upon America and how we were both ashamed to be Americans because of this.

He said that he sincerely hoped the war would end quickly and that our people would come home safe and with few deaths on either side.

Then, out of the blue, he remarked that if the war ended quickly, with a total rout of the Iraqis and a stunning, blitzkrieg US victory, George Bush would go on a bender.

In other words, he'd get smashing shitfaced drunk.

I just thought about that today.

How would we ever know?

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How do we know that Dubya is more rational sober than drunk? Maybe we should all be sending him crates of Pabst to appease him.

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And Pretzles - big, hard ones.

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Heh. Check this out: Bretzel Pour Bush.

English version here.

The French are way ahead of us on this.

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The bit about Baby Doc and the pretzel recalls a problem I had when I used to combine alcohol and pot, namely standing up would cause blood pressure to crash and I with it. i can't tell (literally, I don't know) how many tables, floors, and whatnot I cracked my head on back then (yeah, that explains it), but I ended up with some bruises exactly like the one he was sporting.

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I still prefer Mark Crispin Miller's gossip item that the "pretzel bruise" came from a roundhouse left by Laura during a spat over KKKaren Hughes.

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Well, I wouldn't know about such things...

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Among other things, George W. Bush is probably suffering from the most profound case of cognitive dissonance to have afflicted anyone ever.

To wit, he's probably still abusing alcohol. However, he probably sincerely believes that he's licked his alcohol addiction through the power of prayer and with God at his side.

he probably thinks he can still drink a few brewskis now and then, he just can't remember how much he still drinks

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Here's an article posted on another thread that describes Lazy Boy to a T.

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Yahoo captured him toasting the First Lady of Poland with bubbly.

& dubya himself claims his favorite drink is O'Douls. Busch says they make it by removing most of the alcohol...

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Dry Drunk?

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Is there a psycho-logilist (Bush word) in the house.

For someone smarter than me, let's agree Pinhead is not a complete subliminable moron ignorant fool, what else do you call a close-minded narrow constricted thinker - one who only listens and accepts the radical right wing view of delusion, one who can't see the chopping down of the forest through the trees - he sure as shit ain't Solomon Bush, he's more like Joe McCarthy. Reason and intelligence, the wisest of humans, the ability to decipher all the bull-shit through critical thinking and self-analysis and deciding on the middle proper course of action - that ain't Gorge.

LetterMan - 06:30 am Pacific Time - Jun 11, 2003  - #104 of 139
If you love America then demand the truth (www.deanforamerica.com)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Described lil' Georgie to a T.

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Ask and you shall receive ~ there is a psychotherapist in the house and it is moi !

Bush has all the symptoms of a dry drunk and here is the link that proves it .

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/05/25/IN226761.DTL

BRAIN CHEMISTRY The Serotonin Factor Bush's 'dry drunk' thinking

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Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Whatever the cause may be, people with NPD basically can't help acting like selfish jerks. They lie incessantly about their accomplishments, treat friends and family like peons, and feel entitled to jet-set lifestyles regardless of their true talents, wealth, or education.

Yup. That's our w.

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In light of the recent turn of events, anyone want to take bets on when the meltdown happens?

God, just imagining him completely breaking down on national television ...

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I live for that moment.

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TTers aren't the only ones recognizing Dubya in the DSM-IV:

Antisocial Personality Disorder

A perfect example of this behavior would be Geo. W. Bush.

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Here's the moment ~ ALETA S

It will happen during an unscheduled press conference where some reporter will nail him on his falling credibility and approval ratings .

Remember ( according to the latst Time/CNN poll ) 51 % of Americans have doubts and reservations about his leadership.

His infuriating smirk will change into a snarl and we will all see the seething anger that lies barely below the surface of most dry drunks.

He will quickly catch himself but not before we catch him uncloaked and naked.

It will not be pretty but it will be telling.

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We saw with the "major league asshole" comment and no one bothered.

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He's a lot dumber than he's being credited with in the news.

Superficial and shallow, subliminable and oblivious to the world, it takes a wise man with broad-minded supporters to research and understand the actions required to produce results for the greater good of the US and the world.

What we are stuck with is VRWC loons calling all the "right" wrong shots, strings pulled on a failed flawed "C" student who have other strings attached to them.

It is only fitting that this decade will be known as the decade of the 00's.

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Here's an excellent Guardian article that analyzes the relationship between Dubya and his parents.

Messed up in the head, the lad is.

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Messed up in the head, the lad is.

As we say up heah in Maine, 'The boy ain't right.'

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That was accurate.

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Wow, LetterMan. That was some article.

When he was seven, Bush's younger sister, Robin, died of leukaemia and several independent witnesses say he was very upset by this loss. Barbara claims its effect was exaggerated but nobody could accuse her of overreacting: the day after the funeral, she and her husband were on the golf course.

Words fail me.

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Remember when W's daughter was hospitalized and the entire family left for vacation anyway? (Although publicity did force Laura back to her daughter's bedside.)

There's a telling little anecdote in Jeb's biography about meeting his father on the steps of the Capitol for a photo op as a child -- the first time he'd seen in in a couple of years.

This family may be "close" but not in any way most humans can relate to.

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They will never be closer than at the reading of Poopy's will - and then the cat fight.

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I don't think I'll judge Barbara and Poppy for being out on the golf course. People cope with grief in different ways. I was out at the stables playing with my horse constantly after my parents died; I couldn't sit in class or sit still at all, actually; I had to walk. Being outside in nature with the sun shining, and doing something physical, helped. Being on the golf course doesn't mean they didn't care about their daughter. It's easy to believe that family doesn't care about each other, and they may not, but there's that pressure to not give in to grief or admit to hurt, too, because it's Bad Form.

It does make me feel sorry for Junie. A few weeks after my parents died, a teacher make fun of me for crying in class. I wonder what is wrong with people that they feel compelled to ridicule grieving kids? (Most of my teachers were wonderful and supportive. I hope most of Junie's were too, but I doubt it. That boy isn't right.)

ImpeachThatFucking Chimp - 11:08 pm Pacific Time - Sep 5, 2003  - #122 of 139
IMPEACHMENT - it’s not just for consensual sex anymore!

As we say up heah in Maine, 'The boy ain't right.'

Heh... we say that in the South too!

And this from waaaaaaaaaaaay back:

At least Nixon was frustrated in his attempt to talk with God, according to Kissinger. Georgie thinks God is his best bud.

I can just see chimp knocking on the pearly gates when he dies. God is going to personally answer the door and tell him "Look, while you were down there on earth you destroyed every place you ever went like a drunken frat boy at Animal House! You ain't coming up in here! You'd better go talk to Satan... he won't notice the mess you like to make down there."

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Damn... I shouldn't have read that Guardian article... Now I actually feel sorry for that schmuck!

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Manson had a rough childhood.

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Most sociopaths had rough childhoods!

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I don't feel sorry for him. We all had tough childhoods. Some of us had a tougher time than others. Bush grew up in comfort with lots of advantages. He got away with a lot of nonsense that Joe average would never had gotten away with. What about the kids growing up in projects who go to shitty schools? You grow up, and if you're lucky, you get the fuck over what happened to you in your childhood. Look at the Guardian article as a way of understanding some factors that made Bush the way he is, not as an apologetic for him. And the irony is Dubya would poopoo any liberal/psychologial theory that childhood impacts adulthood. For all the talk of family, the Repugs don't care about any kids but their own. Battle Axe Babs must be proud of George, Neil, and Jeb. What fine men they turned out to be! You know what the Bush family is an example of? Self will run riot.

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For all the talk of family, the Repugs don't care about any kids but their own.

And they don't show a lot of signs of caring about their own kids, beyond the crass material.

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"On March 18, two days before the U.S. invasion, Barbara Bush had an interview with ABC-TV's Diane Sawyer.

''Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen?'' Mrs. Bush declared. ''It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?'' --Helen Thomas column, Sept 5 03

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It's not relevant because nobody she knows is going to be in one of those body bags. How disgusting.

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Thank you sister c crean.... now I can go back to not feeling sorry for that little punk!

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Diagnosis? I've got one:

"Only Living Brain Donor."

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After reading the comments posted here by the brave TTers who watched Dubya's speech last night, I am coming to think that he has lost whatever tenuous connection he might have ever had to reality as we understand it.

He's gone fully delusional, IOW.

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Thanks to both Doxie for finding this little gem and to Maia for pointing out that this probably indicates he's gone into full-blown megalomania:

It's All About Georgie

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Ya know... I think we have gotten too complicated in explaining chimpboy. His is, plain and simply, and ASSHOLE! There is nothing wrong with him that getting his ass kicked by the other kids in the neighborhood when he was growing up would not have solved. Unfortunatley, rich brats like him tend to be shielded from the kind of kids who would have kicked his ass. It's a shame!

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He's trust fund trash, and was born with few skills to overcome that albatross. His only chance at redemption is to lose by less than pappy did.

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But no picture of Bush swimming in the Potomac?

BWAHAAAHAHAHA.

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Naked, like Adams did every morning.

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Here is another lengthy but excellent (and definitely worth reading) article that describes Georgie to a T.

The closest he's ever come to "adulthood" is the Adult section of a video store.